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AM I BECOMING AN ENDANGERED SPECIES?

Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:57 PM EST
science, death, safety, breeding, pet-stores, syrian-hamster
By Diddley Squat

The Syrian hamster is the larger of the common breeds, weighing between five and seven ounces on the average.

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Where have all the hamsters gone? You see Syrian hamsters in movies and TV commercials, on greeting cards and calendars. Everywhere but pet stores.

Where are they? What's happening? Where have all the hamsters gone?

Let's begin with recent events.

A family friend in another state recently bought a very young Syrian hamster. The hamster was so immature that it was impossible to tell the gender for sure. At first, the hamster seemed healthy - eating, running in a little hamster wheel, staring curiously out of the cage ... and then ....

The little hamster just died.

Heartbroken, our friends returned to the same store. There were seven hamsters left a few days earlier when they got theirs. But when they returned in less than  a week, there were none.

At the rate things are going, there will soon be more hamsters in commercials than in pet stores.

Where did all the hamsters go? Did all of them sell that fast?

I don't think so.

We all suspect they died.

But another branch of the same store had hamsters. So all seemed well. They got another one. Again, this hamster was so small they couldn't tell if they had a male or female. To make a long story short, in a few days this one died, too. And, as you may expect, there were none left at that store, either.

Where have all the hamsters gone?

Four baby Syrian hamsters playing in an adult-sized running wheel at just under three weeks of age.

These people live in a large city in the Midwest. They've called everyone within an hour's drive and can't find a single Syrian hamster. One store even told them that they ceased carrying our species because Syrian hamsters "are not a popular pet anymore."

Not popular with pet stores, anyway. So where exactly have all the hamsters gone?

 

THE MARYLAND INCIDENT

 

Now lets go back a few years - to late 2005 and early 2006. Something similar happened on the east coast, in an rural part of southern Maryland. A family there acquired a very young hamster at the nearest pet shop, a Petco located in the next county. The hamster was tiny but beautiful. All seemed well for a day or two. Then she abruptly stopped being active, retreated to her nest where she oddly slept all night.

In the morning, she was dead.

Cropsie (foreground) with one of her three-week old babies in the wheel behind her. She gave birth to a litter of 10 on the 29th of December.

It happened again a month or so later with another female hamster from the same store. Petco had been very good about separating hamsters by gender, by the way. And this one thrived for a while, even seeming to grow. All was well... or so everyone thought.

Then she, too, was found dead of no apparent cause.

A third hamster from the same store, who arrived in January of 2006, was the smallest yet, weighing a mere 1.6 ounces when brought from the store. But on the advice of someone at that Petco store, she got a special treatment - BeneBac, a probiotic that strengthens the immune system of young hamsters.

This tiny female, named Lolly, survived - quite possibly because of the probiotic - and managed to live an incredibly long life.

 

The incredible Lolly (2005-2008)

 

SRYIANS DISCONTINUED AT THE CHAIN STORES

 

Before long, all the big pet stores in Colorado - the chains like Petco and Petsmart - had stopped carrying Syrian hamsters at all, selling only the cute, but far-less-friendly dwarfs. They cited the high incidence of "wet tail" as cause.

 Wet tail is a disease that affects young Syrian hamsters. It's common in youngsters and highly contagious. But of the four deaths mentioned above, in only one case was there evidence of possible wet tail.

Now the trend seems to be that the chain stores all over the country have decided not to sell Syrians. That leaves the small "Mom and Pop" pet shops.

 

LAST RESORT: INDEPENDENT PET STORES

 

Cropsie arrived at our Rodent Sanctuary on Friday, the 11th of November last year. She was married to Spencer, my second cousin. The couple has ten children. Here Cropsie is seen trying to climb over the side of the maternity cage. Sometimes ten large, demanding babies make a mother want to jump over the edge.

This past fall, when our GFO (Great Furless One, as humans are called) was looking for a bride for me and for my second cousin Spencer, she had to call several independently-owned pet shops, some of them quite a distance away. One of them advertised Syrian hamsters on their web site, but told the GFO that they had none, had been trying to get them for quite some time, but were unable to find any at all.

Where have all the hamsters gone?

After calling two or three other places, she found one on the west side of town, a good 45 minute drive from here, that had a few Syrians hamsters, including what the GFO specifically asked for - a black female.

 

A NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE


She brought home two. One, Bitty, my bride, weighed in at 2.6 ounces upon arrival at home. The other, Cropsie, who eventually married my cousin Spencer, weighed 3.4 when brought home. All seemed well for a couple of days. Following what is now protocol around here, they were given probiotics for their two days with us.

Bitty, who arrived weighing 2.6 ounces, nearly died of pneumonia a few days later.

But that wasn't good enough.

To make a long story short, Bitty had pneumonia. She nearly died and was only saved after being rushed by "hambulance" (the black pickup truck in our driveway) to a prominent animal hospital a half-hour drive away (it's the one in Aurora, Colorado that they show on Animal Planet). A strong antibiotic, Enrofloxacin, pulled her through, even though for the next two days it seemed that Bitty couldn't possibly survive.

But recover she did. She gained back the weight she lost and went on to become a decent-sized female. We were finally married on the 18th of January.

 

SO WHAT IS WRONG?

You can't turn on the television without seeing something hamster. But it's getting harder and harder to find a real one.

 

Syrian hamsters are disappearing. We are the classic hamster, the ones you see on car commercials and beer commercials and calendars and greeting cards.

And yet in a metropolitan area of almost four million, we could find just one store in late 2011 that even had Syrians. And in another large city farther east, there are none!

Where have all the hamsters gone?


MAKING MONEY

 

If we can't make a profit selling them ....ssshhh! Pretend they don't exist!

The problem begins with the breeders.

Have you ever seen a newborn hamster? They are so tiny at birth that it literally takes fifteen of them - fifteen - to weigh just one ounce. While it's true that they grow up fast, it's ridiculous to think that a barely weaned infant is going to thrive taken away from its mother.

Unless they remain with their mothers for a week or so after being fully weaned, and unless they are allowed additional time to socialize with their littermates, their immune systems will not be mature enough for them to be thrown into a pet store display case with a bunch of other, unrelated young hamsters. They are poorly equipped to fight off disease and the result is a lot of sickly hamsters who die of neglect in pet stores or in homes that aren't prepared to pay the cost of treating an ailing pet.

(Lolly, at 1.6 ounces, probably wasn't a day past three weeks! When we weighed one of Cropsie's female babies at three weeks of age, she tipped the little postage scale at 2.2 ounces.)

And what about the parents that the breeders use? Are the mothers too young, too old, have had too many litters? Is the father related to the mother? These are crucial questions. Nobody has ever seemed to ask these things.

This is Diamond, my great, great, great, great, great grandmother.

So where have all the hamsters gone?

With a predictably unhealthy stock of Syrian hamsters, pet stores start to see them as a liability, not profitable to them.

 

ONE ADULT HAMSTER, ONE CAGE

 

Making matters more difficult is that the young hamsters mature enough and strong enough to be taken to stores are close to that stage of maturity when they have to begin living alone. They have to be sold in a week or two - at most - or each one will require a separate enclosure.

A baby Syrian hamster between two and three weeks of age. At this age they can eat on their own but still won't be weaned for another week.

We Syrians are solitary creatures. One cage per hamster.

 And that, of course, makes it still more expensive to properly house young hamsters at stores.

And let's face it. Pet stores don't make a huge profit on hamsters. Most sell hamsters somewhere between $5 and $12. For the breeder to make enough money to keep them until they reach a proper age and for the pet stores to sell them even when they're old enough to need separate cages, the price would have to rise to at least $30 or $35 each before anyone makes a profit.

But what's wrong with that? Anybody who wants a pet should be willing to pay at least that much. After all the care and feeding of a hamster over a lifetime of two to two-and-a-half years is going to run many times that - in food, housing, litter and, when needed, veterinary care.

 

OBSOLETE: HAMSTER HOUSING

 

Where there were scores of good hamster cages to choose from ten years ago, they have become impossible to find in the last several years.

The problem didn't begin just with sickly, immature hamsters shipped out to pet shops. Even before the national chains started having their hamster problems, decent housing became all but impossible to find.

Until the early 2000s, there were numerous options available at retail stores, everything from the complicated "Habitrail" cages - the ones that require an hour to take them apart, an hour of soaking to clean, and another hour to reassemble every other week - to more sensible options like sturdy, roomy wire cages with heavy plastic bottoms.

Today, the odds you'll walk into a pet store and find a decent, safe, convenient, and affordable hamster cage are just about zero.

 

TIME FOR A CHANGE

 

Bene-Bac is one form of probiotic, a vital health supplement that helps young hamsters survive the stress of being shipped to store and relocated to homes. Probiotics come in several forms - powder, tablets that dissolve in water, and more.

I wouldn't mind seeing the cost of pet Syrian hamsters rise to five or ten times what stores are asking - the few, that is, who still sell Syrians. And I'll go beyond that. Make the cost include a two or three day supply of a probiotic diet supplement for the hamster. Throw in also a simple but adequate set of instructions for proper care.

 

Pet stores should, as a matter of policy, be able and willing to disclose the source from which they obtained their hamsters. They should ask potential buyers a few qualifying questions before selling. Do you have a proper cage? Do you understand that this hamster has to live in his or her own cage - alone? Do you agree that you will take this hamster to a veterinarian if it becomes sick? 

Beetle

And that'll be $40, please.

 

 

 

 

 

MY NAME IS BEETLE. AND I APPROVED THIS ARTICLE.

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Excellent article, Beetle! We clipped it to our own column as well as Animal Lovers, Critter Chatter, Fur Babies 'R' Us, Pets that are more than pets, and Reigning Cats & Dogs.

This is critically important information that should be available to everyone considering adopting or breeding hamsters of any breed, but particularly Syrians.


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Reply#1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:46 PM EST
Diddley Squat

You are a sweetheart. And Bitty says to tell you and the whole gang "hi."

Beetle

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#1.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:13 PM EST
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bitemore

Beetle, what a tragic story... I can't begin to imagine a world without hamsters... and I agree wholeheartedly that the price should be raised enough that pet stores can afford to stock hamsters and also so that prospective buyers will care for them.

Back in the 70's, I bought an iguana lizard from the pet department of a department store. I paid $2.95 for it. I had no clue what it was or how to care for it, but I thought it was a cute "little green serpent." I named it "Serpy," and proceeded to try to learn what he was and how to care for him.

Serpy came down with a severe illness, and I took him to the vet, who operated and saved him. By that time, I knew he was an iguana, I knew how to care for him (thanks to correspondence with the herpetologist at the Bronx Zoo), and I found myself saddled with a "calling:" to save iguanas, everywhere, from becoming cheap, throwaway pets. This was a "Cause." I bought all the iguanas I encountered who were being improperly cared for and nursed them back to health and found homes for them with people who knew what they were doing. I campaigned to see that all stores selling them treated them correctly, from proper housing to proper feeding, and even the local Deli helped out by giving me all their leftover veggies to take to these stores to give to the iguanas.

Over time, iguanas became hard to find. Then suddenly, when they could be found, the price tags were VERY high. A pet store I dealt with a lot who took good care of all its animals told me: "When people pay a lot of money for something, they are more likely to take care of it."

Sad, but very true. We humans can be a rather disgusting species at times... especially in the ways we value, or devalue something, based on a price tag.

I hope pet stores DO start to take better care of their hamsters, that they pay more for them, become choosy as to suppliers, and that they take your suggestion about the price and including the Bene-Bac.

Thanks for a much-needed blog, Beetle.

Love,
GFO#2

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Reply#2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:49 PM EST
Diddley Squat

Thank you so much! It's very true that people - in general - have less respect for a pet when they pay very little money to get it. It's heartbreaking. And the fact that most of the chain stores stopped carrying Syrians reflects a horrible situation with the commercial breeders.

Sure, there will be fewer hamsters bred and sold when the price becomes high enough to support healthy breeding and proper store handling. But that's fine. There will be fewer neglected and abused.

Love you!

Beetle

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#2.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:11 PM EST
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etva

An excellent article, and I thank you, Beetle, for making us aware of this issue. I've never shared my house with hamsters (possibly a good thing because of our resident felines and hounds) but should I ever do so, I will keep the lessons from your article in mind.

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Reply#3 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:10 PM EST
Diddley Squat

Thank you! Hopefully, we'll be around for some time. But selling pets "cheap" does nobody any favors. And for my species, it's been deadly.

Beetle

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:12 PM EST
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Vlad's dog

A wonderful and interesting article Didley.

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Reply#4 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST
Diddley Squat

Thank you very much. I worry about what's going to happen as it gets harder and harder to get a Syrian hamster.

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#4.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:35 PM EST
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Abby.

I wish we had hamsters here, but I've never seen one.
Maybe they're not allowed in Australia?
I don't know.
:(

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Reply#5 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:13 PM EST
Diddley Squat

I just checked. I Googled "hamsters illegal" and "in Australia" automatically came up. I got links like this one.

Hope the link works.

What harm can a little hamster do? I've heard about "cane toads." I thought that was a Monty Python thing or something of the sort. Don't know if there's any truth to it at all. But hamsters live in cages!

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#5.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:41 PM EST
Abby.

Aaahh...those bloody Cane Toads.....
Damned nuisance!

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#5.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:19 PM EST
Diddley Squat

Excuse the ignorant question, is there such a thing as cane toads? A friend of mine gave me a video that was like one of those Monty Python things. They had these huge toads, people putting out dog food for them, children dressing them in doll clothes. It all came across as a big joke. I assumed that it was.

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#5.3 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:17 PM EST
bitemore

#5.3: is there such a thing as cane toads?

Yep! Cane Toads...

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#5.4 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:36 PM EST
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WatchTheOtherHand

Well, the dwarf hamsters are cuter. Sure, that is just my opinion, but I am sure I am not alone.

Also, raising the price isn't the answer you are looking for either. No one is going to buy a $40 hamster. Stores would stock even less of them because there would be no demand for them at all.

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Reply#6 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:41 PM EST
Diddley Squat

With a higher price there will be fewer sold, that's true. But mostly people will stop thinking it's appropriate to buy a hamster for a five-year-old. And that's a good thing.

They will be bred healthier and worth more. And there will always be people who love hamsters, Syrians and dwarfs both.

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:44 PM EST
John Galt-1207820

Diddley Squat

With a higher price there will be fewer sold, that's true. But mostly people will stop thinking it's appropriate to buy a hamster for a five-year-old. And that's a good thing.

They will be bred healthier and worth more. And there will always be people who love hamsters, Syrians and dwarfs both.

I definitely agree w/that. My grandson was given a hampster for his birthday. He was too young for the responsibility of caring for a small animal. l took over that responsiblity and cared for "Henry" (who had the best of everything, non-toxic litter, re-searched food, and a beautiful house.) He was 3 yrs. before he passed over the bridge.

Children should be educated and made aware of the long time responsibility of having any animal, and breeders should be educated and ethical about breeding any animal.

Thank you for the article and info Diddley Squat.

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#7.1 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:25 PM EST
Diddley Squat

It happens far too much. Fortunately, babies born here in our home go to a store that actually does sell them for (I think) $35 each. Instead of paying us, I only ask that they charge more and scrutinize the buyers. Each hamster comes with his or her own personalized birth certificate, giving the color and gender of the hamster, date and place of birth, names of parents, grandparents, etc., sort of like a pedigree. And we never take them out of the home until they weigh 3 ounces.

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#7.2 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:11 AM EST
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BLOGER-486140

I think they went back home to help in the recent Syrian uprisings. Power to the people and the hamsters of Syria.

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Reply#8 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:47 PM EST
Abby.

Well said!

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#8.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:20 PM EST
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cried

A good friend had one when I was growing up.

Power to the hamster!

Oh, and I approve this story.

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Reply#9 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:32 AM EST
Diddley Squat

Did you know that a hamster by the name of Diddley Squat won the election in 2000? That's what the "under votes" were. Write-ins. They appear "under" the names and votes for listed candidates. And Diddley Squat got them all.

:-)

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#9.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:19 PM EST
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Barry-5094076

I am the Midwesterner mentioned in the beginning. It is totally true. Both Creamsicle and Puff, presumably a male and female respectively, but too young to be sure, died in less than a week each. Syrian hamsters now are totally impossible to find in Cincinnati, other than that one chain, whom I hardly trust now.

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Reply#10 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:25 PM EST
bitemore

#10: Both Creamsicle and Puff, presumably a male and female respectively, but too young to be sure, died in less than a week each.

I am so sorry for your loss! The GFO showed us a photo of adorable little Puff, and we were so delighted when she found a home with you, and were stunned beyond belief when we learned that Puff had passed so suddenly, so soon! We always enjoyed learning about the escapades of that branch of the extended hamster family, and had looked forward to more ham-tales... please accept my condolences in your loss and sorrow.

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#10.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:11 PM EST
Remote Viewer

Glad to meet you online, Barry! FR sent. We at HFP-NCA all felt a huge sense of loss when we got the news of Creamsicle's passing, and Puff's almost immediately thereafter.

Love,
Fuzzball, Phantom, Iggy, Syri, Doc Electra, Cropsie, Skosh, Bonnie, and our two GFOs

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#10.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:44 PM EST
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Diddley Squat

At last, the hamster mob united online!

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Reply#11 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:21 PM EST
Augur Well

Well, Beetle! I'm a little embarrassed to admit, I thought I "knew a little something" about hamsters, and, well, I don't! Er, I mean, I didn't! I mean, not any more! (Augur digging foot into floor and a little embarrassed!)

You've proven once again the old Vine-adage "Get Smarter Here!' is still goin' strong! I knew they originated (and I'm still not all that sure about that!) towards the Middle Eastern part of our HamWorld, but I had no idea the issue of the Syrian hams in this country! Completely unknown to me! I'm guilty of assuming hams were everywhere!

And I thank you for giving me an eye-opener of an education! I am ham-lightened in that I shall certainly pay more attention to these hamissues!

(*hamgrins*!)

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Reply#12 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:49 PM EST
Diddley Squat

Hi! Until lately, hamster have been all over the U.S., Europe, and Asia. It's just been lately that we've had problems because of a bad breeding situation and the idea that hamsters have to be "cheap."

Did you know that all of us Syrian hamsters have a common ancestor? A Dr. Aroni of Hebrew University in Jerusalem caught a mother hamster with eight babies on a trip to Syria in 1930 and brought them back to the University. I believe five of the babies survived, and from those more generations were bred. Dr. Aroni at first intended the little hamsters for use as lab animals, but the staff working with him fell in love with the them and started taking them home as pets. Within a few years they were introduced in Europe and then the United States.

The original Syrian hamsters all looked like my cousin Limood in the photo at the top - brown striped with short fur. But since then selective breeding has resulted in hamsters with long and short fur, hamsters of many colors and styles - spotted, banded, solid color, etc. There are hamsters that are grayish brown (sable) and white, and black and all shades of tan from ivory to rich orange-beige - and mixtures of the various colors. There are even "satin" hamsters that have a special sheen to their fur.

All of this since 1930, when six members of our breed captured the imaginations and the affections of people working at a university!

---Beetle

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Reply#13 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 2:24 PM EST
Augur Well

Hi Beetle! Yep I sure did! I read about Dr Aroni and those first hams during my searching. I had no idea! I knew of Middle Eastern origins, but that was pretty much the extent of my knowledge. I'm just glad he didn't feel the same way about tarantulas! Yikes! LOL!

Just as in most things, education is the key that fits most doors. Thanks!

(*hamgrins!*)

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#13.1 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 2:53 PM EST
Diddley Squat

OMG! Spiders! Nothing is more scary to me that a spider!

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#13.2 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:19 PM EST
bitemore

#13.2: Nothing is more scary to me that a spider!

I used to have tarantulas as pets. The first one was one of those red-legged ones, and I named him Thor. The second one was a "blonde" one that I named Trigger (because a "blonde" horse is a palomino, and Roy Rogers had a palomino horse named Trigger...)!

They were fascinating critters, but I never once handled them. To clean their cages, I put a small tin can in the cage, and the spiders always crawled into the tin can and I was able to then transfer them to a freshly cleaned cage.

Yeah... I know I'm weird. I was born this way...

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#13.3 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:26 PM EST
Augur Well

I used to have tarantulas as pets.

You didn't! (Oh, wait a minute, dummy! You're talkin' about your Big Sis, of course she did!)

WeirdoBigSis! neener! Even your L'il Bro never had one of those creepycrawly things for a pet! Instant splat! Did you know, in some parts of Asia, they're considered a delicacy! Usually roasted. But L'il Bro never, ever, got up the gumption to try one! No not no not no! Ewww!

(*EWWgrins!*)

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#13.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:05 AM EST
bitemore

#13.4: Usually roasted. But L'il Bro never, ever, got up the gumption to try one!

You mean people EAT spiders????? Eeeeewwwwwww...

Sorry, Diddley Squat... maybe you'd better cover your eyes...

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#13.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:43 PM EST
Augur Well

You mean people EAT spiders????? Eeeeewwwwwww...

My sincere apologies to Diddley S., and of course to you too (!) but um, Big Sis, the little four-pair-legged denizens are considered everything from regular fare to treats to delicacies in cultures all over the places. I've seen with mine own peepers, booths and stalls and vendors and suchlike from Cambodia to Thailand and all across those parts.

I could link up some pictures if you like......*grin*!

(*munchcrunchgrins!*)

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#13.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST
Diddley Squat

Eeek! Tarantulas! I took some video of one in Tennessee. It was in a pet store. They were up front. The hamsters were in back. So I had to walk past those scary spiders. I really couldn't stand it.

Then one day a guy who worked there, possibly an owner, was standing at the counter with one of those things crawling along his arm. I couldn't go in the store but I did get my video camera (from the car outside) and I stood in the doorway and took a few seconds of video. I tried to get my son to operate the camera but he was a kid then and the way he went about it convinced me he might break it, so I did the tarantula filming all by myself.

Closest I've ever been to one of those.

Never again.

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#13.7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 5:42 PM EST
bitemore

#13.7: I did the tarantula filming all by myself.

I give you a lot of credit for overcoming your arachnophobia to that extent. I'm not crazy about spiders, but if they stay out of my territory, I let them be. Otherwise, they are fair game...

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#13.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST
Augur Well

I'm not crazy about spiders, but if they stay out of my territory, I let them be. Otherwise, they are fair game...

Daddy Long Leggers. The only ones I make it a point no to eradicate. They're very, very good for gardens, flower or veggies. They eat tons and tons of the nastier bugs in them. Never ever do one bad! Other than that, other than them........SPLAT!

(*splatgrins!*)

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#13.9 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:09 AM EST
bitemore

#13.9: Daddy Long Leggers

I believe Daddy Long Legs are not really true spiders. I need to look that up sometime...

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#13.10 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 11:20 AM EST
Augur Well

I believe Daddy Long Legs are not really true spiders. I need to look that up sometime...

Actually, Big Sis, it kinda depends on who you talk to!

Here is a pretty good site (I think, anyway!) about spider-lore. What most folks here in this country call daddy-long-leggers really are true spiders, but there's a lot of overlap in mis-identifying what is or isn't a daddy-long-legger too.

What I do is, if it's got a really tiny, tiny body, but really, really long legs, right into the garden it goes! And I've handled a lot of 'em in my time!

(*spideygrins!*)

ps - just sent ya another email, just a short one, I almost forgot it! (hehehe-L'il Bro-snicker-giggle)

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#13.11 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:01 PM EST
bitemore

Thanks for the spider info, L'il Bro. It's interesting stuff!

I got your email

I answered it. :-D

*BigBrattySisGrins*

{{{{{L'il Bro}}}}}

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#13.12 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:26 PM EST
Augur Well

{{{{{BigSis}}}}}}}

(*Giantsneeners!*)

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#13.13 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:14 PM EST
bitemore

{{{{{L'il Bro}}}}}

*YayGiantsGrins*

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#13.14 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:16 PM EST
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radiocricket

I believe I've been in contact with your friend in the Midwest. As a hobby hamster breeder, I just want to comment that you've missed one important aspect of the industry: the nature of the contagious disease. The problem you're seeing in the stores is due to contagions that the hamsters contract through the distribution and retail process. Distribution facilities, nor pet stores, adequately protect animals or disinfect enough, that's just losing money. Any illness that any one animal carries becomes airborne via fomite transmission easily. Unfortunately for Syrians, they are more susceptable to these illnesses than other species are. So the Syrians in the pet store could have arrived to the distributor perfectly healthy until put into the transport container used for gerbils the week before and contracted what they whatever they were infected with. It is definitely more a problem with the system and not so much the commercial breeders. Not that the commercial breeders do it right, but they are able to raise the hamsters to weaning age. If illness were in their facility, the hamsters would never make it to weaning age and never end up at the stores. As I sell my hamsters to a distributor, I have seen first hand how easily disease is transmitted from species to species. All species of hamsters, gerbils, cavies, thousands of mice and rats, rabbits, parakeets, canaries, ferrets, snakes, lizards, crabs, crickets and more, all being housed in a 75' x 75' warehouse. That's where the problem starts. Then the pet stores just put the animals into all-in-one displays. Do you think the store properly disinfected the cage after an illness broke out previously? Of course not and really, how could they? The all-in-one display units they have the animals in prevent that- sure they look nice but they're not practical at all, as disinfecting it is impossible when there's still animals in the other cages of the unit. Nor are the employees even trained about contagious disease. Just ask to see a rat or a bird or reptile and then ask to see a hamster- did they ask you to sanitize your hands (even though that's not even effective- it's at least an attempt), did they?

As someone that's bred hundreds of litters over the last 10 years, I can tell you I've never had a hamster get sick from stress. I've never had a hamster go to a new home and develop an illness. It just doesn't spontaneously happen, there is a cause. The distribution/pet store system just can't keep that under control. They would rather make the switch over to animals that isn't susceptalbe and/or can carry the illness and not get sick from it than to work to eliminate the illness altogether. Of course that's hard when many animals can carry illnesses asymptomatically. How can anyone really prevent that? At that point you're relying on the integrity of breeders to have health, disease-free animals and the commercial-breeders just won't be able to do that.

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Reply#14 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:54 PM EST
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